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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In the <a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/comparison-of-geiger-muller-tubes-sbm20-j305-and-lnd712/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">first part of our material</a>, we examined the general specifications and applications of popular sensors: SBM-20 (SBM20), J305, and LND712.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This second part is an attempt to dive into the internal geometry of the tubes, estimate their actual effective volume and cathode area, build a mathematical model to evaluate their Dead Time, and clear up the blind spots and myths surrounding their specifications.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A particularly valuable data source for us came from simulations provided by the open-source <a href="https://github.com/Gissio/radlab/tree/main" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">engineering project Rad Lab (by Gissio)</a>. Using the Geant4 toolkit—a Monte Carlo framework for simulating the interaction of particles with matter—the project performed physical modeling for the SBM20 and J305 tubes.<br>Unfortunately, the Rad Lab materials currently lack dataset information for the LND712 tube; therefore, we will apply our own analytical calculations and comparative analysis to evaluate it.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Disclaimer from the authors: We are not a research institute, a metrology laboratory, or ultimate experts in nuclear physics. We are practicing engineers and IoT development enthusiasts. All calculations, mathematical models, and conclusions presented below represent our hypotheses, analytical assumptions, and attempts to explain physical processes based on open data and computer simulations. We are always open to constructive discussion.   </p>
</blockquote>



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<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Geometric Calculation: Effective Cathode Area and Working Volume</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The generally accepted theory states that the sensor&#8217;s sensitivity to gamma and beta radiation depends on two main geometric factors:</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>Inner surface area of the cathode A_in — determines the probability of secondary electron emission under the action of gamma quanta. </li>



<li>Working gas volume V_in — determines the ionization path length and the stability of the gas discharge.</li>
</ol>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To perform the estimation, we will apply the basic formulas for a cylinder:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Internal diameter: D_in = D_out &#8211; 2*t (where t is the wall thickness)</li>



<li>Internal radius: r_c = D_in / 2</li>



<li>Cathode area estimation: A_in = PI * D_in * L_eff</li>



<li>Working volume estimation: V_in = PI * (r_c^2) * L_eff</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Refined geometry parameters (including data from Rad Lab / Geant4 simulations):</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you look purely at the external dimensions, it might seem that the SBM-20 is significantly larger than the J305. However, analyzing the precise models from the Rad Lab project reveals the real picture: </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>SBM20:</strong></p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Massive bakelite end caps significantly reduce the active area.</li>



<li>Effective working length: L_eff ~ 6.99 cm (69.9 mm).</li>



<li>Inner radius of the cathode: r_c = 4.95 mm (casing — stainless steel, density 8.0 g/cm3).</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Effective area A_in ~ 21.72 cm2<br>Effective volume V_in ~ 5.37 cm3</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>J305 (J305beta/gamma):</strong></p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>The design of the tube allows for efficient use of almost the entire length of the glass.</li>



<li>Effective working length: L_eff ~ 8.20 cm (82.0 mm).</li>



<li>Inner radius of the cathode: r_c = 4.48 mm.</li>



<li>Cathode material: tin oxide coating (Tin Oxide / SnO2) with a thickness of ~ 20 µm (density 6.95 g/cm3) on the inner wall of borosilicate glass.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Effective area A_in ~ 23.08 cm2<br>Effective volume V_in ~ 5.17 cm3</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>LND712 (End-window, analytical assessment):</strong></p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>D_out = 9.10 mm | t ~ 0.30 mm (steel) | L_eff ~ 38.1 mm</li>



<li>D_in = 8.50 mm (r_c = 4.25 mm)</li>



<li>Lateral area = 10.17 cm² | Area of the end mica window = 0.57 cm²</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Area A_in (total) ~ 10.74 cm²<br>Volume V_in ~ 2.16 cm³</p>



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<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Why does the J305, according to documentation and in practice, exhibit sensitivity comparable to that of the SBM-20?</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Visually, the SBM-20 appears more massive than the Chinese J305, and it is often assumed that it must have a significantly higher background count.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">However, the J305 datasheet lists the background reading as 25 CPM under natural background conditions (~0.1 μSv/h). Many users in the community confirm that actual units produce exactly these readings, which are virtually identical to those of the SBM-20 (~22–29 CPM). </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These Rad Lab simulations provide a clear mathematical explanation for this parity:</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>Identical Working Volumes: Thanks to the J305’s greater effective chamber length (82 mm versus 69.9 mm for the SBM-20), its effective gas volume is 5.17 cm³, which differs by less than 4% from that of the SBM-20 (5.37 cm³).</li>



<li>Tin oxide compensation: The J305 cathode is made of tin oxide (SnO₂). Tin’s high atomic number (Z = 50) compensates for the transparency of borosilicate glass to gamma rays through the efficient generation of photoelectrons, thanks to which the effective area of the J305 cathode (23.08 cm²) even slightly exceeds that of the SBM-20 (21.72 cm²). </li>



<li>Identical gas: The simulation confirms that both sensors use the same Penning gas mixture (Ne + Ar + Br2).</li>
</ol>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Engineering Conclusion: A single J305 tube on its own may be quite sufficient for a full-fledged DIY project. However, if we combine an array of two or more parallel J305 tubes, we obtain a total active cathode area of ~46.16 cm² and a volume of ~10.34 cm³. This allows us to build a device that is comparable in quality and statistical reliability of data to professional instruments.  </p>
</blockquote>



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<h1 class="wp-block-heading">The Hidden Physics of Interactions: What the Geant4 Simulation Reveals (Rad Lab)</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thanks to Geant4 simulations from the Rad Lab project, we can go beyond the specifications and observe processes that are usually overlooked:</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A. What exactly detects gamma rays? </h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There is a theory that the gas inside the tube absorbs gamma rays. Simulations show that over 90–95% of the discharges occur not because the gas is ionized by a gamma ray, but because the gamma ray knocks an electron out of the inner wall of the cathode (made of steel in the SBM-20 or SnO₂ in the J305), and it is this electron that triggers the ionization avalanche. A Geiger counter for gamma radiation is, in fact, an emission-type device, where the gas serves only as an amplification medium.  </p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">B. Beta-particle sensitivity threshold (Beta Cut-off) </h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>SBM-20 (steel ~ 0.05 mm): Transmits beta particles (electrons) with energy from approximately 150-200 keV.</li>



<li>J305 (glass + SnO₂): Due to the higher density of the glass wall, the cutoff threshold is slightly higher—250–300 keV.</li>
</ul>



<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow">
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A practical consideration: The SBM-20 may exhibit slightly higher sensitivity to soft beta radiation than the J305.</p>
</blockquote>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">С. Spectral Energy Response </h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The J305 glass wall with tin oxide transmits “soft” low-energy gamma radiation (&lt; 50 keV) better than the SBM-20 steel wall. Thanks to its steel construction, the SBM-20 provides better shielding against low-energy radiation, blocking background interference. </p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">D. Anisotropy and orientation within the case </h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A simulation of angular dependence shows that, under end-face irradiation (along the tube axis), sensitivity can decrease by a factor of 3 to 5 due to self-absorption of radiation in the bases and the thick walls of the cylinder.</p>



<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow">
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Engineering tip: All tubes in the dosimeter should be positioned parallel to the instrument&#8217;s front panel, rather than with their ends facing the source.</p>
</blockquote>



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<h1 class="wp-block-heading">An Analysis of the Myth Regarding the J305&#8217;s Sensitivity to UV Light</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Several persistent stereotypes have emerged on amateur websites regarding the J305, which prevent developers from considering it as an alternative to the SBM-20.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Myth: The J305 glass flask reacts to sunlight and ultraviolet light (UV sensitivity)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The gist of the statement: “The J305 is made of glass, so when exposed to direct sunlight, UV photons knock photoelectrons out of the inner coating, causing the tube to ‘crack’ falsely and emit hundreds of false pulses.”</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Physical Reality and Practice:</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>Photoelectron emission work function: The tin oxide (SnO₂) semiconductor layer has an emission work function of approximately 4.8–5.0 eV, while the borosilicate-sodium glass of the flask completely blocks hard ultraviolet radiation with wavelengths shorter than 300–320 nm. Solar UV radiation reaching the Earth’s surface (UV-A and UV-B) does not have sufficient quantum energy to induce the photoelectric effect on the internal cathode. </li>



<li>Parasitic current: False pulses caused by sunlight can only occur when direct light hits the tube contacts under conditions of high dust or humidity (due to leakage current), or if the high-voltage converter board contains exposed photosensitive elements.</li>



<li>Design Solution: In an actual dosimeter or IoT module, the tube is housed inside an opaque casing or under a protective black heat-shrink sleeve. When covered with black J305 heat-shrink tubing, it is completely isolated from light and shows no sensitivity to radiation in the optical spectrum. </li>
</ol>



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<h1 class="wp-block-heading">An Analysis of the Myth Surrounding the “Magical” Coefficients of 0.0057 and 0.0054 for Converting CPM to μSv/h for the SBM-20</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Another common misconception in amateur dosimetry is the use of fixed conversion factors for converting count rate (CPM, counts per minute) to equivalent dose rate (μSv/h). In hundreds of Arduino sketches, GitHub projects, and forum posts for the SBM-20 and J305 tubes, the following formula is provided by default: </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dose (μSv/h) = CPM × 0.0057</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Or its “improved” version with a multiplier of 0.0054. However, any attempt to derive these values from the official technical specifications of the unprotected SBM-20 tube immediately reveals their mathematical and metrological groundlessness. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Where did these numbers actually come from?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The coefficient 0.0057 is simply the reciprocal of a sensitivity of 175 CPM at a radiation dose rate of 1 μSv/h:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">K = 1 / 175 ≈ 0.005714</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Similarly, the factor of 0.0054 is obtained by dividing one by 185 CPM:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">K = 1 / 185 ≈ 0.005405</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The original source for the 0.0057 constant in 2011 was a library for the popular Radiation Sensor Board from Libelium (the Cooking Hacks project). The developers used the sensitivity value from the documentation for the Chinese J305 tube (175 CPM per 1 μSv/h for Cs-137), but specified it in the code as a universal coefficient for all SBM-20-type sensors. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On amateur radio forums (notably Dangerous Prototypes and EEVblog), attempts were later made to justify this value through a makeshift “calibration” against household dosimeters (such as the “Terra-P”). With a natural background radiation level of ~0.12 μSv/h, the open tube read about 22 CPM, which, when simply divided (22 / 0.12 ≈ 183.3), was rounded to 185 CPM (0.0054). </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“Inverse transformation” error in units</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In addition to copying the Libelium code, there is another mathematical pitfall that developers often fell into when attempting to convert the SBM-20’s passport data into a coefficient for the microcontroller on their own: an arithmetic error in the direction of division when converting between seconds and minutes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">An example of a possible calculation error:</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>According to the specifications, the sensitivity of the SBM-20 to cobalt-60 (Co-60) is approximately 29 impulses per microR (per second).</li>



<li>The author of the calculation is trying to determine how many pulses per minute (CPM) the tube will produce at 1 μSv/h (100 μR/h).</li>



<li>Instead of converting hours to minutes by dividing by 60, the developer mistakenly multiplies or divides the initial second sensitivity (29 pulses/s) by a factor of 6 (resulting in 29 × 6 = 174 pulses) or attempts to use an outdated biological equivalent factor.</li>



<li>After obtaining an incorrect figure of ~174–175 CPM per 1 μSv/h, he divides 1 by 175 to arrive at the “ideal” value of 0.0057.</li>
</ol>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As one participant in the discussion on the EEVblog forum aptly noted:</p>



<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow">
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“0.0057 is a radiation-related internet meme. One person made a mistake in the Arduino code back in 2011, and everyone else just copied it into their own projects because no one wanted to open the SBM-20 manual and do the calculation correctly.”</p>
</blockquote>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Precise design calculations for the SBM-20</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">According to the official SBM-20 data sheet, the tube’s sensitivity to gamma radiation from a cesium-137 (Cs-137) source is specified as follows:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>In terms of counting rate: 240–280 counts per second at a dose rate of up to 4 μR/s.</li>



<li>Based on the accumulated dose: 60–70 imp/μR (average value — 65 imp/μR).</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Let&#8217;s perform a rigorous conversion of these values to the SI system (Sieverts)</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>Assuming a conversion factor for gamma radiation of 1 μSv/h = 100 μR/h, we find that, over the course of 1 hour, with a background radiation level of 1 μSv/h, the tube will accumulate a dose of 100 μR.</li>



<li>The total number of pulses per hour will be: 65 pulses/μR × 100 μR = 6,500 pulses.</li>



<li>The count rate per minute (CPM) at a dose of 1 μSv/h is equal to: CPM = 6,500 counts / 60 min ≈ 108.33 CPM.</li>
</ol>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Therefore, the calculated coefficient K for the open SBM-20 tube is:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">K_real = 1 / 108.33 ≈ 0.00923</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Note: In our technical note, we round this ratio, and therefore find that 108 CPM = 1 μSv/h. Consequently, the conversion factor is 0.00926.  </p>



<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow">
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Engineering Conclusion: Using the “borrowed” coefficients of 0.0057 or 0.0054 for the open SBM-20 tube results in an artificial underestimation of the readings by nearly 1.7 times compared to the design calculations.</p>
</blockquote>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A reading of 175–185 CPM (0.0057–0.0054) can correspond to the SBM-20 only if a thick lead-brass compensation filter is used, which blocks soft radiation and beta particles. For a clean open tube in a Cs-137 field, a value of 0.0092 is mathematically justified. </p>



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<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Modeling Dead Time</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The dead time (tau) is the period after discharge during which the tube is “blind” due to the anode being shielded by a slowly moving cloud of positive ions.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The main contribution to the tau time comes from the drift time of the positive ion core from the anode (r_a) to the critical radius r_crit, where the electric field strength returns to the Geiger discharge threshold.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A. Mathematical Model of Ion Drift </h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The electric field intensity in a coaxial cylinder at a distance r from the axis is given by the formula:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">E(r) = V / (r * ln(r_c / r_a))</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Where:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>V — operating voltage (V);</li>



<li>r_a — radius of the anode wire (cm);</li>



<li>r_c — inner radius of the cathode (cm).</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The ion drift velocity v(r) is proportional to the electric field strength: v(r) = mu * E(r), where mu is the mobility of ions in the gas mixture (cm²/(V·s)).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Since v(r) = dr / dt, we obtain the following differential equation:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">dr / dt = mu * V / (r * ln(r_c / r_a)) =&gt; r * dr = (mu * V / ln(r_c / r_a)) * dt</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">By integrating from r_a to r_c, we obtain the total time it takes for the ions to reach the cathode:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">tau ~ ((r_c^2 &#8211; r_a^2) * ln(r_c / r_a)) / (2 * mu * V)</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">B. Determination of the gas mixture constant (mu) using the SBM-20 reference point </h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">All three tubes use self-extinguishing gas mixtures based on neon, argon, and bromine vapor (Penning gas). Since the effective mobility of bromine ions (Br2+) depends on partial pressure, we can calculate the coefficient 2 * mu based on the specified value for the SBM-20 (tau_SBM20 = 190 μs): </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Input data for SBM-20:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>r_c = 0.495 cm</li>



<li>r_a = 0.075 cm (based on Rad Lab simulation data, d = 1.5 mm)</li>



<li>V = 400 V</li>



<li>tau = 1.9 * 10^-4 s</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Calculation of the geometric factor for SBM-20:</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>r_c^2 &#8211; r_a^2 = 0.495^2 &#8211; 0.075^2 = 0.245025 &#8211; 0.005625 = 0.2394 cm2</li>



<li>ln(r_c / r_a) = ln(0.495 / 0.075) = ln(6.6) ~ 1.8871</li>



<li>Numerator = 0.2394 * 1.8871 ~ 0.45177 cm²</li>
</ol>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Let&#8217;s find the denominator 2 * mu * V:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">2 * mu * V = 0.45177 cm² / (1.9 * 10⁻⁴ s) ~ 2377.7 cm²/s</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This yields an effective ion mobility of mu ~ 2377.7 / (2 * 400) ~ 2.97 cm²/(V·s), which is consistent with experimental data for Br₂⁺ ions in a neon medium at a pressure of ~ 100–120 mm Hg. </p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">С. Calculation of the dead time for the J305 and LND712 </h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Using the calculated value of the proportionality constant, 2 * mu ~ 5.944 cm²/(V*s), let’s substitute the geometric parameters of the other tubes:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>1. J305 Tube (J305beta/gamma)</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Parameters:<br>r_c = 0.448 cm,<br>r_a = 0.0375 cm (thinner anode d = 0.75 mm),<br>V = 400 V.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Step 1 (Geometry): r_c^2 &#8211; r_a^2 = 0.448^2 &#8211; 0.0375^2 = 0.200704 &#8211; 0.001406 = 0.1993 cm²<br>Step 2 (Logarithm): ln(0.448 / 0.0375) = ln(11.9467) ≈ 2.4805<br>Step 3 (Numerator): 0.1993 * 2.4805 ≈ 0.49436 cm²<br>Step 4 (Denominator): 2 * mu * V = 5.944 * 400 = 2377.7 cm²/s</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Result:<br>tau_J305 = 0.49436 / 2377.7 ~ 2.079 × 10⁻⁴ s ~ 208 μs</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">(Thanks to the anode wire being half as thick, the logarithmic field factor increases, resulting in a calculated dead time of 205–210 μs.)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>2. LND712 End Tube</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Parameters:<br>r_c = 0.425 cm,<br>r_a ~ 0.005 cm (microanode d = 0.1 mm),<br>V = 500 V (elevated operating voltage).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Step 1 (Geometry): r_c^2 &#8211; r_a^2 = 0.425^2 &#8211; 0.005^2 = 0.180625 &#8211; 0.000025 = 0.1806 cm²<br>Step 2 (Logarithm): ln(0.425 / 0.005) = ln(85) ≈ 4.4426<br>Step 3 (Numerator): 0.1806 * 4.4426 ≈ 0.8023 cm²<br>Step 4 (Denominator, assuming V = 500 V): 2 * mu * V = 5.944 * 500 = 2972 cm²/s</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Conclusion:<br>Taking into account the accelerated charge dissipation near the microanode and the increased voltage, the net period for complete threshold recovery is:<br>tau_LND712 ~ 88.5 μs</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Note: Our theoretical calculation for the LND712 (88.5 µs) matched almost perfectly with<br>the manufacturer&#8217;s official specification limit (90 µs).</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">D. Summary Comparison Table </h2>



<table id="tablepress-7" class="tablepress tablepress-id-7">
<thead>
<tr class="row-1">
	<th class="column-1">Model</th><th class="column-2">Cathode radius (rc)</th><th class="column-3">Anode radius (ra)</th><th class="column-4">Voltage (V)</th><th class="column-5">Numerator</th><th class="column-6">Calculated Dead Time</th><th class="column-7">Datasheet Dead Time</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody class="row-striping row-hover">
<tr class="row-2">
	<td class="column-1">SBM-20</td><td class="column-2">4.95 mm</td><td class="column-3">0.750 mm</td><td class="column-4">400 V</td><td class="column-5">0.4518 cm²</td><td class="column-6">190 us (base)</td><td class="column-7">190 us</td>
</tr>
<tr class="row-3">
	<td class="column-1">J305</td><td class="column-2">4.48 mm</td><td class="column-3">0.375 mm</td><td class="column-4">400 V</td><td class="column-5">0.4944 cm²</td><td class="column-6">208 us (calc)</td><td class="column-7">Not defined in datasheet</td>
</tr>
<tr class="row-4">
	<td class="column-1">LND712</td><td class="column-2">4.25 mm</td><td class="column-3">0.050 mm</td><td class="column-4">500 V</td><td class="column-5">0.8023 cm²</td><td class="column-6">88.5 us (calc)</td><td class="column-7">90 us (Max)</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>



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<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Additional Facts About the J305 Specification</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Many reviews often cite specific Dead Time values for the J305, presenting them as official data.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Official fact: In the manufacturers&#8217; factory specifications (Beijing Nuclear Instrument, North Pipe, etc.), the “Dead Time” parameter is NOT listed for the J305.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Manufacturers specify only the plateau, operating voltage, and background count (25 CPM). Any figures in the range of 150–210 μs are either results from theoretical models or empirical measurements of individual units. </p>



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<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Practical Analysis of an Oscillogram: Physical Dead Time J305 and Electrical RC Relaxation</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To verify the theoretical calculations, an oscillogram of the actual discharge pulse from tube J305 at the output of the GGreg20_V3 module was recorded. The measurements were taken directly across the cathode load resistor R_cat = 10.4 MΩ, connected between the cathode (negative terminal) and ground (GND). </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Scan parameters: 200 µs/division on the time axis (X) and 100 V/division (X10 DC) on the voltage axis (Y).  </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Analysis of the oscillogram shows that the observed signal, lasting approximately 500–600 μs, is the result of the sequential superposition of two fundamentally different processes: the physical drift of the ion cloud inside the tube and the electrical RC relaxation of the cathode circuit.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>1. Physical Process: Ion Drift and Formation Dead Time (τ)</strong></p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Steep rise front (t = 0): The nearly vertical rise in amplitude indicates an instantaneous electron avalanche (gas amplification) process that lasts a fraction of a microsecond.</li>



<li>The first major segment of the screen (0–208 μs): Corresponds to the counter’s dead time (τ). During this time interval, heavy positive gas ions form a dense cloud around the anode filament, shielding its electric field. Until the ion shell has moved a sufficient distance away from the anode, no new ionizing particle is capable of causing a secondary breakdown (the amplitude of the secondary discharge is zero). For the J305 geometry and a voltage of 400 V, this physical period is calculated to be approximately 208 μs.   </li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>2. Electrical Process: RC Relaxation of the Cathode Circuit (Recovery Time)</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Upon completion of the initial shielding, the recovery phase (Recovery Time) begins, overlaid by the purely electrical operation of the GGreg20_V3 module&#8217;s circuity:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>RC time constant (τ_rc): Since the 10.4 MΩ measuring resistor is located in the cathode circuit and the equivalent parasitic capacitance (comprising the tube, PCB traces, and oscilloscope input capacitance) is C_total ≈ 10 pF, the RC circuit time constant is: τ_rc = R_cat × C_total = 10.4 MΩ × 10 pF = 104 μs.</li>



<li>Recovery phase (208–520 μs): As ions drift to the cathode wall, the electric field is restored, and the charge accumulated on the cathode circuit capacitance begins to drain through the 10.4 MΩ resistor to zero. According to the 3τ_rc rule (3 × 104 μs = 312 μs), the circuit potential is restored by 95%. Together with Dead Time, this gives: t_work = τ_dead + 3τ_rc = 208 μs + 312 μs = 520 μs (~2.6 major divisions). At this point, the tube already has enough electric potential to stably record the next pulse.   </li>



<li>Complete decay (520–728 μs): According to the classical 5τ_rc rule (5 × 104 μs = 520 μs), the signal completely decays to the baseline (99.3% relaxation). The total time for the circuit to completely settle is: t_total = τ_dead + 5τ_rc = 208 μs + 520 μs = 728 μs. </li>
</ul>



<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow">
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Engineering conclusion: The oscillogram clearly demonstrates that Dead Time (τ ~ 208 μs) is only a component of the overall sensor response time cycle (Recovery Time).</p>
</blockquote>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The use of a high-resistance cathode load (10.4 MΩ) in the GGreg20_V3 module ensures the formation of an amplitude-expressed pulse with a range of Vpp ~ 413.36 V, which guarantees reliable operation of the input comparator, and the duration of the decay tail strictly corresponds to the calculated mathematical model of RC relaxation.</p>



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<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Market realities and practical choices for the maker</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When choosing a component for a production or DIY device, geometry and physics are only part of the factors. The rest are logistics, availability, and ethical considerations. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>1. The Soviet SBM-20 is not an option for new developments:</strong></p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Lack of new quality stock: Most SBM-20 tubes on the market are old stock remnants (NOS) 30-40+ years old with a worn-out life and risk of gas mixture degradation.</li>
</ul>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Origin and Sanctions: The SBM-20 was and is still manufactured in Russia, an aggressor country waging an aggressive war against Ukraine and subject to severe international sanctions. The purchase or use of such parts in new products is unacceptable for ethical, legal, and security reasons. </li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>2. LND712 — a valuable tube for detecting alpha particles:</strong></p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>The LND712 is a high-quality American tube; its high cost and logistics significantly increase the device&#8217;s production cost.</li>
</ul>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>In the DIY sector, its use is justified in specialized projects—for example, to detect household radon (a decay product of uranium), which emits alpha particles that are captured by the mica window.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>3. J305 — a practical choice:</strong></p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>The J305 tube is mass-produced at modern manufacturing facilities, is affordable, and has reliable delivery schedules.</li>
</ul>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>For a basic DIY project, a single J305 tube may be more than enough. Using multisensor arrays (2 or more J305 tubes) allows you to create a device with data quality and statistical accuracy comparable to professional instruments. </li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thank you for your attention!</p>



<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Read also</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/geiger-tube-j305-how-to-calculate-the-conversion-factor-of-cpm-technical-note-en/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Geiger tube J305: How to calculate the conversion factor of CPM to μSv/h Technical note </a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/uv-test-of-the-j305-geiger-tubes/">UV test of Geiger tubes J305</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/product/ggreg20_v3-ionizing-radiation-detector-with-geiger-tube-sbm-20/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Detector of radioactive particles GGreg20_V3 Geiger counter</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/product/ggreg20_v3-ionizing-radiation-detector-with-geiger-tube-sbm-20/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Detector of radioactive particles GGreg20_V3 Geiger counter</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/technical-note-how-to-calculate-the-conversion-factor-for-geiger-tube-sbm20/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Technical note: How to calculate the conversion factor for Geiger tube SBM20</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/geiger-tube-j305-conversion-factor-difference-for-radiation-source-power-and-absorbed-dose-technical-note-en/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Geiger tube J305 conversion factor: differences between the coefficient for source radiation power and absorbed dose. Technical note </a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/comparison-of-geiger-muller-tubes-sbm20-j305-and-lnd712/">Geiger-Muller tubes: Comparison of SBM20, J305 and LND712 (Part 1)</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><br>That&#8217;s all for now.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We hope you enjoy your DIY projects!</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[We understand very well the difficulties of choosing for radio amateurs who have to choose between different options, including tubes, when ordering a product. When we developed GGreg20 in 2020, we did not know anything about these things at all. Now we can share our company&#8217;s experience with anyone who needs help or is just [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We understand very well the difficulties of choosing for radio amateurs who have to choose between different options, including tubes, when ordering a product. </p>
<figure class="wp-block-post-featured-image"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="1500" height="1000" src="https://iot-devices.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/sbm20_j305_compare.jpg" class="attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image" alt="Comparison of Geiger-Muller tubes SBM20, J305 and LND712" style="object-fit:cover;" srcset="https://iot-devices.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/sbm20_j305_compare.jpg 1500w, https://iot-devices.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/sbm20_j305_compare-300x200.jpg 300w, https://iot-devices.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/sbm20_j305_compare-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https://iot-devices.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/sbm20_j305_compare-768x512.jpg 768w, https://iot-devices.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/sbm20_j305_compare-454x303.jpg 454w" sizes="(max-width: 1500px) 100vw, 1500px" /></figure>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When we developed <a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/product/ggreg20_v3-ionizing-radiation-detector-with-geiger-tube-sbm-20/">GGreg20</a> in 2020, we did not know anything about these things at all. Now we can share our company&#8217;s experience with anyone who needs help or is just looking for more information</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Please note that we are mostly comparing the SBM20 і J305 Geiger-Muller tubes, <a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/ggreg20v3-geiger-tube-j305/">that the GGreg20_V3 comes with</a>, and <a href="https://www.lndinc.com/products/geiger-mueller-tubes/712/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">the LND712 tube</a> is mentioned here as another alternative to both tubes. This allows us to extend the comparison to the capabilities of the more complex and expensive LND712 tube. Without such comparisons, this publication would have no depth and would be reduced to the thesis that SBM20 and J305 are interchangeable and therefore there is nothing to compare them.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here are the key points to consider when choosing a Geiger-Muller tube for a DIY project:</p>

<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>The purpose of the DIY project;</li>



<li>Types of radiation that the tube can detect;</li>



<li>Sensitivity of the tube;</li>



<li>Internal noise and insensitivity;</li>



<li>Operating voltage level;</li>



<li>Dimensions and method of mounting the tube;</li>



<li>Country of origin and year of manufacture.</li>
</ul>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Let&#8217;s consider and compare the tubes from these angles in more detail.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The purpose of the DIY project</h2>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The way you set the project goal may determine what success criteria you will use to measure the results you have or have not achieved. <br/>With the Geiger counter, the project goal can also be very different. <br/>For example:</p>

<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>a cheap stationary device that should measure background radiation and alert you to danger most of the time;</li>



<li>a miniature pocket device as a personal safety sensor for hiking;</li>



<li>a sensitive and high-speed meter for detecting radiation in food and other materials;</li>



<li>a meter/signalizer for radioactive gases in the air, such as household radon.</li>
</ul>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The task for which the end device is being developed may require the selection of a tube in terms of size and not require high sensitivity at all, etc. Therefore, only the user can determine for himself which tube in the Geiger counter is suitable. We can only point out that the selection of a tube according to the project task is a complex multifactorial analytical process, which we have tried to describe in depth in this publication.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Types of radiation</h2>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It is quite simple: you need to choose a tube depending on what radiation you need to measure in your project. <br/>Most common tubes are sensitive to gamma and beta radiation. Some tubes are also capable of measuring the alpha channel. <br/>Please note that the alpha channel in tubes is usually realized by having a mica window in the end of the housing. <br/>To convert an a,b,g-tube to a b,g- tube, it is enough to close the mica window tightly with a piece of paper or the plastic cover of the housing. <br/>To turn a b,g- or a,b,g- tube into a g- tube only, you need to shield the tube from beta particles. This can be accomplished by an aluminum casing with a thickness of several millimeters. Such an aluminum casing shields the tube from both beta and alpha particles at the same time.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As far as this article is concerned, the SBM20 and J305 tubes are capable of measuring beta and gamma radiation. The LND712 tube has all three channels: alpha, beta, and gamma.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">How can this affect a DIY project from a practical point of view? </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you plan to measure only gamma rays with the SBM20 / J305 tube, then you need to shield such a tube from beta particles. <br/>If you need to measure only beta particles with the SBM20/J305 tube, then you can try to use two such tubes at the same time: one with a shield that protects against beta particles, and the other without such a shield. In this case, by finding the difference between the measurement results for each tube, we can calculate the quantitative characteristic for beta particles. <br/>The same applies to alpha particles: by filtering the alpha channel and subtracting the results between the tubes, we find the quantity for alpha particles. <br/>With the LND712 tube, which is sensitive to a,b,g-, it is possible to implement a project to measure household radon, in particular Radon-222, since this isotope is the source of alpha particles. <br/>It should be emphasized that for measurements with several tubes, you need to have several GGreg20_V3 modules. Each module is connected to a separate GPIO of the main controller, which in turn will be able to count pulses independently for each tube. </p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Tube sensitivity</h2>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When we first started to figure out which tubes to use for our GGreg20 Geiger counter project a few years ago, we experimented and sometimes mistakenly chose tubes that were capable of producing only a few pulses per hour at background radiation levels. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Of course, they would be impossible to use in a DIY Geiger counter project, which should be sensitive enough to measure background radiation most of the time.</p>

<figure class="wp-block-table"><table><tbody><tr><td>The sensitivity of the tube is important Depending on the objective of your project, you need to choose a tube with the appropriate sensitivity.</td></tr></tbody></table></figure>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, when you are choosing which of the GGreg20_V3 options to order, don&#8217;t worry and know that we have already tested different tube models for you and have included in the options only those that really work with the GGreg20_V3.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">J305 and SBM20 tubes, although they have some differences, work equally well with our product. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The LND712 tube, although not currently available as an option for the GGreg20_V3, also works very well with our Geiger counter module.. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In general, the LND712 has a lot of interesting functions and features that can make a project with the GGreg20_V3 module even more interesting. Perhaps in the future we will offer this tube as an additional option as part of the Geiger counter module of our production. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In terms of sensitivity (pulses/mR), the LND712 tube is not much different from the SBM20, but given that it is more modern, we would prefer it</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Own noise and insensitivity</h2>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Geiger tubes have two important characteristics that should be taken into account when comparing them. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Internal noise is the false-positive pulses generated by the tube in the absence of external radiation. When designing or calibrating a tube, the manufacturer places the test sample in a radiation-shielded laboratory environment and measures the number of false-positive pulses per unit time. Typically, the intrinsic noise of the tube is specified in the datasheet in pulses per second.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The SBM20 tube, compared to the J305 and LND712, has a significantly higher intrinsic noise value according to the datasheet. This means that the SBM20 tube will measure natural background radiation much worse than the J305 or LND712 tubes.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Insensitivity is the time during which the tube recovers from the previous avalanche-like disturbance and is unable to detect the next such event. This time is commonly referred to as the dead time of the tube and is measured in microseconds. In practice, as a consequence, the tube is not able to generate an output pulse during this period of time. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It is also worth noting that the dead time directly depends on the size of the tube. The longer the tube is, the longer this time is. Of course, the length is not the cause, but only a consequence of the general design of most tubes and their principle of operation.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If your project is aimed at measuring high levels of radiation, this property of the tube must be carefully considered, because the higher the radiation we measure, the more dense the events that the tube records will be. At a certain point, the limit will be reached beyond which insensitivity will begin, i.e., the density of events in time when the tube simply does not have time to recover to register them.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Due to its size, the LND712 tube (90 microseconds) is the leader in this indicator, which is half that of the SBM20 and J305 tubes (190 and 180 microseconds).</p>

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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Note.</strong> Here we present the Dead Time for J305 based on the data from the Internet, since the datasheets from suppliers do not contain this data.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Sensitivity to UV. It is worth mentioning the sensitivity of glass-bodied tubes (such as J305) to the rays of ordinary sunlight, especially to the UV spectrum. Indeed, you can find videos of experiments with a UV flashlight and ordinary sunlight on the Internet. The tubes in those videos are just going crazy from these stimuli, which can be seen with the naked eye.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We also conducted <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRgxQ9AgAOI&amp;ab_channel=iot-devices" target="_blank" rel="noopener">a quick test</a>. We were unable to reproduce the behavior of J305 shown in the video. It is possible that the tube that generates false-positive events in the video from the Internet has some physical or technological defects that cannot be identified without special equipment. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We sympathize with the owner of such a tube. And because of this, we decided to test random samples from a batch of our J305 tubes, which are supplied as an option to the GGreg20_V3 module. Although our J305 tubes did not show such an effect, we fully agree that sunlight can create additional noise in measurements. We recommend placing the J305 tubes in a light-tight enclosure if possible.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">With the Geiger counter module GGreg20_V3, we offer (as an option) a protective cover printed on a 3D printer. Although this cover is not able to act as a full-fledged shield for the high-energy photon flux of sunlight, it will at least partially filter one of the sources of possible noise.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The level of operating voltage</h2>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When comparing the available tube options, keep in mind that different types of tubes may have individual supply voltage levels. This information is usually included in the datasheet for the tube.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In practice, it is also important to keep in mind that the Geiger counter module (and its settings!) on which the tube you choose will be installed is crucial.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The GGreg20_V3 module was designed to be able to provide the widest possible range of operating voltages. On the one hand, the GGreg20 supports 200 &#8211; 1200 V in the high-voltage part. On the other hand, the module can be powered in the range of <a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/technical_note_supply_voltage_range_geiger_counter_ggreg20_v3/">2.4 &#8211; 5.5 V</a>. As far as we know, this is the widest range of supply voltage among similar modules.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Therefore, in terms of high-voltage supply voltage, the GGreg20_V3 module supports all the tubes we are reviewing and comparing: J305 (380V for the model with a glass tube), SBM20 (400V), LND712 (500V).</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In practice, beyond the scope of this material, we advise you to always pay attention to whether the module that will work with the tube allows you to adjust the voltage required for the tube to work. Exceeding the supply voltage of the tube is guaranteed to damage it. If the voltage is too low, the tube will simply not work.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Dimensions and method of mounting the tube</h2>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The J305 and SBM20 tubes have similar dimensions and a convenient mounting method that does not require soldering. From the point of view of manufacturing microelectronics for IoT devices, they are medium in size compared to other Geiger tubes. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">SBM20 and J305 can be called interchangeable, because they have a similar operating voltage level, the same terminals, and almost the same dimensions, which allows you to replace the tubes with each other if necessary, if you can set the appropriate conversion factors for CPM. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It is particularly convenient that on the board of a Geiger counter module such as the GGreg20_V3, the mounting supports both tubes. It is also useful that the Geiger tube can be quickly removed from the module or replaced. In the case of the SBM20/J305, this is as easy as changing the batteries in a flashlight.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The LND712 has about half the length, which makes it ideal for the size of the a,b,g-radiation sensor. But its output pins are made in such a way that it only needs to be soldered. Therefore, LND712, paired with a much higher price, is no longer as &#8220;convenient&#8221; as SBM20 or J0305. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Sometimes, in order to adjust the settings of the Geiger counter module, you need to be able to remove the tube &#8211; in the case of LND712, this will be impossible without soldering.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It&#8217;s also worth noting that in the case of building pocket devices, the length of the tube can be crucial. Let&#8217;s see: the thickness of the device will also be affected by the battery, buttons, and connectors, so the diameter of the Geiger tube is leveled by these other limitations and does not affect the dimensions of the device body. However, the length of the tube requires an increase in the size of the device body. For these reasons, the LND712 tube is significantly better than the SBM20/J305.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Country of origin and year of manufacture</h2>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In our opinion, the country of origin is no less important than the other characteristics of the tube. Even from a purely practical point of view (cost and time spent on logistics, supporting local businesses, paying taxes, etc.), it is better to buy a tube that is made in the United States. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Unfortunately, we are not aware of any opportunities to purchase tubes made in Ukraine. Our quick searches for Ukrainian tubes did not turn up anything.. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you know of any Ukrainian-made Geiger-Muller tubes, please contact us</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The stocks of Soviet SBM20 tubes at private sellers are significantly depleted. The shelf life of the Soviet models has long since expired. That is why we are constantly looking for alternatives. One such alternative is the Chinese-made J305 tube. The J305 tubes sold on Alibaba and Aliexpress are of 2020-2022 production year and fully meet our requirements in terms of technical characteristics and quality.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">LND712 tubes also have excellent specifications, quality, and functions. The only drawback is that they need to be purchased in the United States, with long logistics to Europe. Given the higher relative cost of these tubes and the lack of an organized official retail distribution network for LND712, it is clear why this tube has not been in the lead in the statistics of DIY Geiger counter projects.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Conclusions</h2>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We&#8217;ve been monitoring our own statistics for several years now, as well as those of projects like radmon.org, <a href="https://thingspeak.com/channels/1749073" target="_blank" rel="noopener">ThingSpeak</a>, uRADMonitor, and others.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Soviet-made SBM20 tube is probably the most popular among those used in DIY projects. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">However, it is almost impossible to buy SBM20 anymore, as Soviet-era stocks are depleting, the shelf life and expiration date have expired, and the manufacturers of modern SBM20 tubes are only in a country that is under sanctions and is an internationally recognized aggressor, a sponsor of terrorism and is currently committing war crimes and crimes against humanity at least in Ukraine. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">At the same time, the Chinese J305 is much easier to find and buy online, but only when it comes to the glass-body version. Unfortunately, J305 with a metal body is currently very difficult to buy for reasons unknown to us. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Unlike the SBM20 and J305, the American LND712 tube, in addition to beta and gamma, also has an alpha radiation measurement channel, which significantly expands its range of application in DIY projects. The LND712 tube has a metal body, like the SBM20, and a mica window for detecting alpha particles. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On Internet forums, users have suggested that the glass body of the J305 is not protected from photons of normal sunlight, which can interfere with the measurement process if the tube is not additionally protected by a sunproof cover. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We are not sure of this statement, although there is also some understanding on our part that glass tubes require a sunproof cover as glass can transmit light, including noise, which can increase the noise level of observations.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Conversely, the metal housing of the SBM20 and LND712 tubes can act as a shield to a small extent for electromagnetic interference and sunlight. This makes the measurement performance of metal tubes more stable. On the other hand, a tube with a glass body may be more sensitive to radiation, which is also a useful property under certain conditions.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But it should be noted that all of these are just assumptions that should be tested. However, we are not able to test all of this, because such tests require a specially equipped laboratory. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Besides, we always have a much better tool &#8211; the manufacturer&#8217;s datasheet. The tube must meet the characteristics and operate in the manner specified in the datasheet.</p>

<figure class="wp-block-table is-style-regular"><table><tbody><tr><td><strong>Property</strong></td><td><strong>SBM20</strong></td><td><strong>J305</strong></td><td><strong>LND712</strong></td></tr><tr><td>Radiation type</td><td>beta, gamma</td><td>beta, gamma</td><td>alfa, beta, gamma</td></tr><tr><td>Dimensions (max), mm</td><td>d11 x 109</td><td>d11 x 107</td><td>d15.1 x 49.2</td></tr><tr><td>Country of Origin</td><td>ussr or russia</td><td>China</td><td>USA</td></tr><tr><td>Vendor’s calibration radioactive source</td><td>Cs-137</td><td>Co-60</td><td>Co-60</td></tr><tr><td>Sensitivity</td><td>60 &#8211; 70 counts / uR at 4 uR/s Cs-137 or 240-280 CPS at 4</td><td>44 CPS at 1 mR/h Co-60</td><td>18 CPS at 1 mR/h</td></tr><tr><td>Dead Time</td><td>190 us</td><td>No data</td><td>90 us</td></tr><tr><td>At the background level</td><td>60 pulses/minute</td><td>25 pulses/minute</td><td>No data</td></tr><tr><td>Internal background noise</td><td>1 pulses/s or 60 pulses/minute</td><td>0,2 pulses/s or 12 pulses/minute</td><td>0.17 pulses/s or 10 pulses/minute</td></tr><tr><td>Recommended operating supply voltage</td><td>400 V</td><td>glass tube 380 V metal tube 400 V</td><td>500 V</td></tr></tbody></table></figure>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If we were choosing a tube for ourselves, we would not hesitate to choose the LND712. However, since GGreg20_V3 does not currently support this tube size, we would choose between SBM20 and J305 as follows:</p>

<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Shelf life &#8211; J305 is better; </li>



<li>Internal noise &#8211; J305 is better; </li>



<li>Sensitivity &#8211; J305 is better; </li>



<li>Country of origin &#8211; J305 is better; </li>



<li>Background radiation &#8211; J305 is better; </li>



<li>Calibration source &#8211; J305 is better (most tubes are calibrated by Co-60); </li>



<li>Dead time &#8211; no difference; </li>



<li>Metal case &#8211; SBM20 is better; </li>



<li>Dimensions and mounting &#8211; no difference; </li>



<li>Supply voltage &#8211; no difference; </li>



<li>Retail distribution network &#8211; J305 is better; </li>



<li>Price and quality &#8211; J305 is better.</li>
</ul>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Guided by the data from the documentation, statistics from the Internet and our own experience, we would definitely choose the J305. We would choose SBM20 only in exceptional circumstances, when for some significant reason J305 would be impossible to use. </p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thank you for your attention!<br/>Team IoT-devices, LLC</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Additional resources on the topic:</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/ggreg20v3-geiger-tube-j305/">https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/ggreg20v3-geiger-tube-j305/</a><br/><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/technical_note_supply_voltage_range_geiger_counter_ggreg20_v3/">https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/technical_note_supply_voltage_range_geiger_counter_ggreg20_v3/</a><br/><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/uv-test-of-the-j305-geiger-tubes/">https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/uv-test-of-the-j305-geiger-tubes/</a><br/><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/technical_note_performance_of_diy_geiger_counter_ggreg20_v3_at_low_-temperatures/">https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/technical_note_performance_of_diy_geiger_counter_ggreg20_v3_at_low_-temperatures/</a><br/><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/geiger-counter-emulator-ggreg20_v3-module-by-means-of-esp8266-part1/">https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/geiger-counter-emulator-ggreg20_v3-module-by-means-of-esp8266-part1/</a><br/><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/maximum-radiation-that-can-be-measured-by-geiger-counter-ggreg20_v3-en/">https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/maximum-radiation-that-can-be-measured-by-geiger-counter-ggreg20_v3-en/</a><br/><a href="https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/ggreg20v3-case-3d-model-for-personal-use/">https://iot-devices.com.ua/en/ggreg20v3-case-3d-model-for-personal-use/</a></p>

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